And we now have 205 people reconfirmed, but 38 of those are "Non-hosted indep", so only 165 plan to stay at the hotel.
[20:10:15] <Tincho> that's quite weird
[20:10:22] <Tincho> who they are??
[20:10:27] <ana> a lot of argetinians
[20:10:27] <dererk> Tincho, most of them are local
[20:10:32] <dererk> yep
[20:10:35] <marga> yes, I've already mailed them all and some said it was on purpose and some said it was a mistake.
[20:10:39] <Ganneff> and some other candidates that always did that :)
[20:10:50] <des> yeah
[20:10:57] <Tincho> yes, we always have a small group, but 40 is a lot
[20:11:03] <marga> We can't really force them to stay at the hotel.
[20:11:16] <moray> no, you can say it would help us, though
[20:11:16] <Tincho> and I don't think I would be able to get a good deal for 165 people
[20:11:27] <marga> Tincho: how about 200 ?
[20:11:29] <Tincho> that's half what we started talking about
[20:11:36] <Tincho> marga: 200 seems to me the breaking point
[20:11:39] <marga> I think there will be more people registering and wanting space.
[20:11:46] <moray> I hope so, definitely
[20:11:50] <ana> Tincho: marga: thre is not point in talking it here
[20:11:51] <marga> Tincho: also keep in mind 15 people want a single room.
[20:11:57] <ana> just try to takk with the hotel and negotiate it
[20:12:02] <marga> Ok, so, action
[20:12:05] <ana> i'm sure the number can be lowered doen a bit
[20:12:09] <Tincho> marga: ah, so those use 2x space
[20:12:14] <ana> not all we need, but a bit
[20:12:19] <moray> (I mean, judging by previous years more will want to come along later)
[20:12:26] <marga> #action Tincho talks with the hotel and tries to see how much we can lower the numbers and keep the fixed price we've got.
[20:12:28] <gwolf> the people asking for single rooms might make some difference... as it's more money for the hotel (relatively)
[20:13:11] <des> marga: yes, but planning a trip to .ar is not that easy to do so I think less people would go that route
[20:14:10] <marga> So, the good thing with this, is that we get more money to give away for travel sponsorship.
[20:14:11] <Ganneff> mails today, probably! :)
[20:14:28] <ana> and we are sponsoring hwo much approx?
[20:14:43] <ana> because this point is not clear yet :(
[20:14:45] <marga> We don't know how much money. So we are going with 28k USD for now, and after everything is re-negotiated and the numbers are clearer, we will do another round.
[20:14:50] <Ganneff> ana: you know the spreadsheet. :) currently 28k USD.
[20:14:56] <Ganneff> plus what sledge might decide from debian
[20:14:56] <ana> ok, 28k :)
[20:15:03] <Ganneff> thats clear sometime later today
[20:15:13] <ana> that allows 24 people
[20:15:17] <des> and... are there people that hasn't reconfirmed but would if they get sponsorhip? or we get them to reconfirm anyway?
[20:15:18] <ana> all the orga team included :)
[20:15:21] <Tincho> marga: that 28k is after all the spending we have to do?
[20:15:26] <Ganneff> des: yes
[20:15:28] <ana> des: 2, marga has mailed them
[20:15:30] <des> s/we get them/we got them/
[20:15:30] <marga> des: they are reconfirmed.
[20:15:37] <Ganneff> Tincho: we need over 50k usd in total
[20:15:40] <des> marga, Ganneff: ok, thnx
[20:16:06] <Ganneff> 50407 USD today if all take it
[20:16:30] <Tincho> I mean, do we already have 28k extra money?
[20:16:42] <Ganneff> Tincho: it looks like, yes.
[20:16:49] <Tincho> ah good
[20:16:52] <Ganneff> or we wouldnt get a green light on it
[20:17:01] <ana> some money will come from other sources
[20:17:10] <Ganneff> yes. gsoc, debian.
[20:17:10] <ana> but more or less, yes
[20:17:20] <Ganneff> but that currently just adds.
[20:17:38] <Ganneff> oh, ana: i see 22 people only with 28k USD. 24 would mean 28.5k USD
[20:17:46] <marga> To know the exact number we need to know how much we will need to pay extra for the hotel.
[20:17:47] <ana> well
[20:18:03] <ana> Ganneff: we are not leaving faw our...
[20:18:08] <ana> out*
[20:18:24] <Ganneff> ana: i assume that the gsoc/debian money will make the difference, but if i only strictly have 28k - yes, we would.
[20:18:42] <marga> Ok, so, I think that's cleared.
[20:18:51] <marga> #TOPIC Any other busines
[20:18:55] <ana> marga: Sledge : can we go for 285000?
[20:18:56] <ana> eer
[20:18:58] <marga> #TOPIC Any other business
[20:19:01] <ana> marga: Sledge : can we go for 28500 USD?
[20:19:17] <Ganneff> ana: sledge already said he goes on with that, lets just wait? the gsoc money will do that part already.
[20:19:20] <moray> what's the policy on the bad-data people for this?
[20:19:22] <marga> ana: I think that using GSoC's money will reach faw. Also, there's the .br pot.
[20:19:24] <Ganneff> (we know don said yes to the 500 USD)
[20:19:24] <ana> $29,530.00
[20:19:34] <ana> $28,530.00 to be exact
[20:19:35] <moray> it sounds like there's some flexibility, but will that affect the overall number sponsored?
[20:19:40] <marga> moray: what do you mean?
[20:19:50] <moray> marga: the people who misread the "how much do I need" bit
[20:19:57] <ana> marga: so let's say yes to faw?
[20:20:13] <Ganneff> moray: we shouldnt now allow single persons to change it.
[20:20:33] <marga> moray: ah, no, there's no flexibility. It's just that a few of them are entitled to some money from GSoC, and they can use that even if they got confused.
[20:20:41] <marga> ana: not my call
[20:20:43] <Ganneff> ana: no. we say yes to those people we have money for. and yes, we all think that will include faw, with the extra money from outside debconf.
[20:21:01] <ana> ok...
[20:21:14] <moray> marga: ok, just wasn't clear from discussion earlier today
[20:21:28] <moray> (sounds the right policy to me, though)
[20:24:02] <Sledge> sorry folks, got distracted
[20:24:05] <Tincho> GAH, gnome hang again
[20:24:30] <marga> Sledge: have you decided how much money you'll get from Debian to DebConf?
[20:24:32] <Ganneff> Sledge: do you have an aob? if not we are done already :)
[20:24:40] <moray> if we're in AOB, has there been any progress on the ISP stuff yet? ;)
[20:25:24] <marga> moray: yes, we've almost settled with TASA (Telefonica de Argentina), for 8000 USD. This will give us a symmetric, commercial, dedicated 9 Mbps connection.
[20:25:34] <marga> Only paperwork is missing.
[20:25:56] <sgran> \o/
[20:25:57] <moray> yay
[20:26:01] <sgran> great news, thanks
[20:26:05] <ana> yay, timˇonica
[20:26:08] <Ganneff> 9mbs, nice.
[20:26:13] <Sledge> marga: is that in the budget
[20:26:16] <Ganneff> one single connection? or multiple pools?
[20:26:19] <des> and the hotel DSL lines should be a *thin* backup in case of problem
[20:26:25] <Sledge> ?
[20:26:29] <marga> Sledge: yes.
[20:26:30] <des> Ganneff: 1 single connection
[20:26:34] <Sledge> cool
[20:26:39] <Ganneff> des: yay, so no mexican calculation of speeds. :)
[20:26:48] <dererk> lol
[20:26:51] <moray> ha
[20:26:59] <Ganneff> (5*2.5 is 7.5!) :)
[20:27:03] <Sledge> :-0
[20:27:03] <moray> no Mexican trees in the way and people climbing up towers?
[20:27:12] <marga> neither.
[20:27:12] <Sledge> right, looking at numbers...
[20:27:36] <marga> I think we are done.
[20:27:38] <des> we might get people claimbing things anyway... but that just the way debconf atendees are..
[20:27:49] <des> a/a//
[20:28:04] <moray> Sledge: you want to make another point, or you just mean you're looking for yourself?
[20:28:04] <marga> Anything else?
[20:28:08] <Ganneff> meeting seems done?
[20:28:13] <paravoid> I wonder how will they provide us with 9mbps symmetrical though
[20:28:20] <paravoid> no dsl I know can reach those numbers
[20:28:20] <Ganneff> (sledge making up numbers mainly affects me mail sending, so doesnt need meeting time)
[20:28:33] <moray> (aha)
[20:28:35] <Ganneff> paravoid: then learn something new? :)
[20:28:51] <marga> paravoid: not by DSL. It's a commercial thing. G-point modems or something.
[20:29:04] <marga> Ok, closing the meeting, then.
[20:29:07] <marga> #endmeetign
[20:29:07] <Sledge> I've got USD10k to add to the budget
[20:29:10] <marga> #endmeeting
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